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		<title>By: Too Old To Work</title>
		<link>http://lookingforlissa.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/misandrous-midwives/#comment-9613</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 02:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As others noted, the anti man slant isn&#039;t a surprise. In my 30+ years experience in EMS the nastiest nurses I&#039;ve run into work in Labor and Delivery. I don&#039;t know what it is, but they think that only they know how to deliver a baby. The funny thing is that by and large they don&#039;t, doctors do. And EMTs for that matter. I&#039;ve delivered around 20 over the years, including a couple in hospital. 

About the &quot;natural childbirth&quot; thing. Back 30 or so years ago when Joan Rivers was actually funny she did a bit about that. She talked about how when she was in labor, someone tried to convince her to have natural childbirth. She suggested that they try a &quot;natural root canal&quot; and see how that worked out. 

Every time someone mentions natural child birth I think of that and laugh. 

Sometimes inappropriately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others noted, the anti man slant isn&#8217;t a surprise. In my 30+ years experience in EMS the nastiest nurses I&#8217;ve run into work in Labor and Delivery. I don&#8217;t know what it is, but they think that only they know how to deliver a baby. The funny thing is that by and large they don&#8217;t, doctors do. And EMTs for that matter. I&#8217;ve delivered around 20 over the years, including a couple in hospital. </p>
<p>About the &#8220;natural childbirth&#8221; thing. Back 30 or so years ago when Joan Rivers was actually funny she did a bit about that. She talked about how when she was in labor, someone tried to convince her to have natural childbirth. She suggested that they try a &#8220;natural root canal&#8221; and see how that worked out. </p>
<p>Every time someone mentions natural child birth I think of that and laugh. </p>
<p>Sometimes inappropriately.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Kruse</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff/zeeke42,

Maybe.Picking and choosing what parenting acts and lore to share within your community, among friends, within family . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff/zeeke42,</p>
<p>Maybe.Picking and choosing what parenting acts and lore to share within your community, among friends, within family . .</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff/zeeke42</title>
		<link>http://lookingforlissa.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/misandrous-midwives/#comment-9463</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff/zeeke42]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brad, I think you misunderstood Guffaw1952.  He stated that he *did* change his daughter&#039;s diapers, but not anyone elses.  I think a &#039;if it doesn&#039;t have my DNA in it, I&#039;m not touching its poop&#039; policy is entirely reasonable for anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, I think you misunderstood Guffaw1952.  He stated that he *did* change his daughter&#8217;s diapers, but not anyone elses.  I think a &#8216;if it doesn&#8217;t have my DNA in it, I&#8217;m not touching its poop&#8217; policy is entirely reasonable for anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Feelgood</title>
		<link>http://lookingforlissa.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/misandrous-midwives/#comment-9453</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For God&#039;s sake, who needs to practice a diaper?  The wife and I only went to one pre-birth class, mostly for the hospital familiarization tour, and then decided that the rest of the courses/info were worthless.  She had our first &quot;natural&quot; (only because she progressed so fast that by the time anyone took her seriously and checked she was too far for an epidural) and the next three with pain management.

I coached her for all four births.  She didn&#039;t break my hand or turn all bitchy.  She was in incredible pain and I did my best to support her.  I didn&#039;t need instructions in becoming a temporary door mat, and I wouldn&#039;t have heeded any had they come.  We&#039;re a team.  I pity folks who don&#039;t know what that&#039;s like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For God&#8217;s sake, who needs to practice a diaper?  The wife and I only went to one pre-birth class, mostly for the hospital familiarization tour, and then decided that the rest of the courses/info were worthless.  She had our first &#8220;natural&#8221; (only because she progressed so fast that by the time anyone took her seriously and checked she was too far for an epidural) and the next three with pain management.</p>
<p>I coached her for all four births.  She didn&#8217;t break my hand or turn all bitchy.  She was in incredible pain and I did my best to support her.  I didn&#8217;t need instructions in becoming a temporary door mat, and I wouldn&#8217;t have heeded any had they come.  We&#8217;re a team.  I pity folks who don&#8217;t know what that&#8217;s like.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Kruse</title>
		<link>http://lookingforlissa.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/misandrous-midwives/#comment-9452</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there is a notion that a woman intending to change diapers could pick up or borrow a diaper and doll to practice, or ask a friend for instructions and coaching. A guy could ask a friend to instruct, if he has a friend with infants. But a guy would have more (social stigma) trouble picking up a baby doll to practice on, without a child of his own.

Many biases and prejudices are leftovers from ignorance or social values of previous generations, and thus accepted lore that isn&#039;t questioned. Man-hating was the &lt;em&gt;in thing&lt;/em&gt; at the heights of the Women&#039;s Movement. Some of it was justified, some intended to generate division and distrust between men and women. But we don&#039;t have a good road map to get to a well-balanced alternative.

And Guffaw1952? If a job needs doing, only Organized Labor decides that some do and some don&#039;t. Some men decide that bringing home the paycheck is all they need to do in the family. Rather fewer of them are still married, later in life. Luck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a notion that a woman intending to change diapers could pick up or borrow a diaper and doll to practice, or ask a friend for instructions and coaching. A guy could ask a friend to instruct, if he has a friend with infants. But a guy would have more (social stigma) trouble picking up a baby doll to practice on, without a child of his own.</p>
<p>Many biases and prejudices are leftovers from ignorance or social values of previous generations, and thus accepted lore that isn&#8217;t questioned. Man-hating was the <em>in thing</em> at the heights of the Women&#8217;s Movement. Some of it was justified, some intended to generate division and distrust between men and women. But we don&#8217;t have a good road map to get to a well-balanced alternative.</p>
<p>And Guffaw1952? If a job needs doing, only Organized Labor decides that some do and some don&#8217;t. Some men decide that bringing home the paycheck is all they need to do in the family. Rather fewer of them are still married, later in life. Luck.</p>
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		<title>By: guffaw1952</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anti-men slant.  Quelle surprise.
I coached my wife through the birth of our daughter.  Only changed our daughter&#039;s diapers, in spite of numerous offers to instruct me with other children.  Not my duty, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-men slant.  Quelle surprise.<br />
I coached my wife through the birth of our daughter.  Only changed our daughter&#8217;s diapers, in spite of numerous offers to instruct me with other children.  Not my duty, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: justcallmemyra</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have kids, but I help with some who are related to me. My mom, and those kids&#039; parents, had to show me what to do. Just because I&#039;m a woman doesn&#039;t mean I came with all the software pre-installed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have kids, but I help with some who are related to me. My mom, and those kids&#8217; parents, had to show me what to do. Just because I&#8217;m a woman doesn&#8217;t mean I came with all the software pre-installed.</p>
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		<title>By: TheSmirkingCat</title>
		<link>http://lookingforlissa.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/misandrous-midwives/#comment-9446</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The phrase &quot;natural childbirth&quot; makes it sound like a freakish and unimaginable abomination if you accept pain drugs.  I don&#039;t even suffer through headaches without popping an Aleve, so why the hell would I plow through childbirth without pain medication?  I agree that pulling only the men aside to practice changing diapers was very sexist.  Everyone needs to learn, but there&#039;s nothing on the X chromosome that hardwires women with pre-installed knowledge of baby care!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phrase &#8220;natural childbirth&#8221; makes it sound like a freakish and unimaginable abomination if you accept pain drugs.  I don&#8217;t even suffer through headaches without popping an Aleve, so why the hell would I plow through childbirth without pain medication?  I agree that pulling only the men aside to practice changing diapers was very sexist.  Everyone needs to learn, but there&#8217;s nothing on the X chromosome that hardwires women with pre-installed knowledge of baby care!</p>
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